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	<title>Comments on: WARNING:  PROPOSED FEDERAL “HATE CRIMES” LEGISLATION WILL SERIOUSLY ALTER CURRENT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW</title>
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	<description>LaVar Christensen</description>
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		<title>By: LaVar</title>
		<link>http://citizensforprincipledgovernment.com/2009/09/warning-proposed-federal-%e2%80%9chate-crimes%e2%80%9d-legislation-will-seriously-alter-current-constitutional-law/comment-page-1/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>LaVar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree with your recommended approach to “hate crimes.” As I indicated, Utah has had a separate “hate crimes” statute for many years but the specific intent requirement was previously so flawed that the only published case stemmed from children hurling threatening racial slurs and snow balls at another student on their way to school. The Legislature later fixed that but we declined to follow the “special groups” or classification of victims approach that you seem to prefer.  (20 states have declined to make “sexual orientation” a separate defining class for purposes of identifying and prosecuting “hate crimes”). Keep in mind that when “hate crimes” are treated as the basis for penalty enhancements rather than as independent crimes, the choice to not adopt such a separate criminal statute does not somehow cause the criminal to go free or unpunished.
 
You have singled out instances where you maintain that the crime has added significance because religion or some other aspect was a motivation. However, the extreme cruelty and heinous acts of the defendants in the Elizabeth Smart case do not fall under your approach and heightened treatment of “hate crimes.” Fortunately, justice in that case does not hinge on whether it fits within a list of special classifications of victims and whether a certain element of “hate” is present. Our criminal statutes include the most grotesque and offensive acts and apply escalating degrees and enhancements at every level of culpability. We do not need to create special groups of crime victims and make “sexual orientation” a separate defining characteristic. That is both unnecessary and part of a broader agenda with known consequences in other areas of the law. At the same time, all crimes against such persons and all persons are covered together equally and not separately under the law.
 
Utah’s law is not “neutered” as you suggest. It provides the desired basis for penalty enhancements but does not invent new rights. It upholds and protects the recognized and established constitutional rights of all citizens and takes into account the potential affect on the community as a whole. The Legislature debated and considered the alternatives that you suggested and I believe made a wise and well reasoned decision.  Thank you for your comments on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree with your recommended approach to “hate crimes.” As I indicated, Utah has had a separate “hate crimes” statute for many years but the specific intent requirement was previously so flawed that the only published case stemmed from children hurling threatening racial slurs and snow balls at another student on their way to school. The Legislature later fixed that but we declined to follow the “special groups” or classification of victims approach that you seem to prefer.  (20 states have declined to make “sexual orientation” a separate defining class for purposes of identifying and prosecuting “hate crimes”). Keep in mind that when “hate crimes” are treated as the basis for penalty enhancements rather than as independent crimes, the choice to not adopt such a separate criminal statute does not somehow cause the criminal to go free or unpunished.</p>
<p>You have singled out instances where you maintain that the crime has added significance because religion or some other aspect was a motivation. However, the extreme cruelty and heinous acts of the defendants in the Elizabeth Smart case do not fall under your approach and heightened treatment of “hate crimes.” Fortunately, justice in that case does not hinge on whether it fits within a list of special classifications of victims and whether a certain element of “hate” is present. Our criminal statutes include the most grotesque and offensive acts and apply escalating degrees and enhancements at every level of culpability. We do not need to create special groups of crime victims and make “sexual orientation” a separate defining characteristic. That is both unnecessary and part of a broader agenda with known consequences in other areas of the law. At the same time, all crimes against such persons and all persons are covered together equally and not separately under the law.</p>
<p>Utah’s law is not “neutered” as you suggest. It provides the desired basis for penalty enhancements but does not invent new rights. It upholds and protects the recognized and established constitutional rights of all citizens and takes into account the potential affect on the community as a whole. The Legislature debated and considered the alternatives that you suggested and I believe made a wise and well reasoned decision.  Thank you for your comments on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Monson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Monson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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Three points: First, Utah certainly is a first. While 45 states and the U.S. Government currently have hate crimes statutes, Utah is the ONLY state not to enumerate any characteristics. The result has been a neutered law that was inapplicable when an LDS Church was vandalized as well as when a gay man was beaten until he was in critical condition. A law that does nothing is a waste of time and money.

Second, the judicial review as explained in this post is so over-simplified it is inaccurate. As Adam Winkler explained in the 2006 Vanderbilt Law Review, even though religious discrimination is theoretically subject to strict scrutiny, the SCOTUS has upheld religious discrimination 60% of the time that it has applied the test. See Fatal in Theory and Strict in Fact: An Empirical Analysis of Strict Scrutiny in the Federal Courts&quot; . Vanderbilt Law Review, Vol. 59, p. 793, 2006.

On the flip side, tossing sexual orientation into rational basis doesn&#039;t accurately describe how the SCOTUS has handled cases on the matter. See Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas, both cases which overturned laws and constitutions that discriminated based on sexual orientation, all while fitting under the &quot;rational basis&quot; umbrella. 

Finally, all crimes are not the same. And the target and intent of the actor can play a big difference in its severity. For example, consider two teenage boys who commit vandalism. One spray paints his initials on the wall of a parking garage. The other spray paints a swastika on a synagogue. The swastika is much more serious, much more harmful, and in the state of Utah, no different under criminal law. THIS is the legacy of a one-of-a kind hate crimes law that 44 other states have been able to see for what it is: ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three points: First, Utah certainly is a first. While 45 states and the U.S. Government currently have hate crimes statutes, Utah is the ONLY state not to enumerate any characteristics. The result has been a neutered law that was inapplicable when an LDS Church was vandalized as well as when a gay man was beaten until he was in critical condition. A law that does nothing is a waste of time and money.</p>
<p>Second, the judicial review as explained in this post is so over-simplified it is inaccurate. As Adam Winkler explained in the 2006 Vanderbilt Law Review, even though religious discrimination is theoretically subject to strict scrutiny, the SCOTUS has upheld religious discrimination 60% of the time that it has applied the test. See Fatal in Theory and Strict in Fact: An Empirical Analysis of Strict Scrutiny in the Federal Courts&#8221; . Vanderbilt Law Review, Vol. 59, p. 793, 2006.</p>
<p>On the flip side, tossing sexual orientation into rational basis doesn&#8217;t accurately describe how the SCOTUS has handled cases on the matter. See Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas, both cases which overturned laws and constitutions that discriminated based on sexual orientation, all while fitting under the &#8220;rational basis&#8221; umbrella. </p>
<p>Finally, all crimes are not the same. And the target and intent of the actor can play a big difference in its severity. For example, consider two teenage boys who commit vandalism. One spray paints his initials on the wall of a parking garage. The other spray paints a swastika on a synagogue. The swastika is much more serious, much more harmful, and in the state of Utah, no different under criminal law. THIS is the legacy of a one-of-a kind hate crimes law that 44 other states have been able to see for what it is: ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: LaVar</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaVar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,  You got it right.  &quot;A crime is a crime&quot; was the essence of Rep Curt Oda&#039;s persuasive speech on the Floor of the State House as we defeated the original version that pushed the &quot;sexual orientation&quot; agenda.  Rep Oda emailed me in response to this post and shared again his positive memory of working together to express our principled opposition and the corrective solution that we successfully adopted instead.  We need to let our Congressional  delegation know and urge them to do the same in Washington to defeat what is coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,  You got it right.  &#8220;A crime is a crime&#8221; was the essence of Rep Curt Oda&#8217;s persuasive speech on the Floor of the State House as we defeated the original version that pushed the &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; agenda.  Rep Oda emailed me in response to this post and shared again his positive memory of working together to express our principled opposition and the corrective solution that we successfully adopted instead.  We need to let our Congressional  delegation know and urge them to do the same in Washington to defeat what is coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Saunders</title>
		<link>http://citizensforprincipledgovernment.com/2009/09/warning-proposed-federal-%e2%80%9chate-crimes%e2%80%9d-legislation-will-seriously-alter-current-constitutional-law/comment-page-1/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts and reasoning, as always, you hit the nail squarely on the head. A crime is a crime no matter who it is against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts and reasoning, as always, you hit the nail squarely on the head. A crime is a crime no matter who it is against.</p>
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		<title>By: LaVar</title>
		<link>http://citizensforprincipledgovernment.com/2009/09/warning-proposed-federal-%e2%80%9chate-crimes%e2%80%9d-legislation-will-seriously-alter-current-constitutional-law/comment-page-1/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>LaVar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bruce for your comment and for your insightful connection to the Second Amendment as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bruce for your comment and for your insightful connection to the Second Amendment as well.</p>
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		<title>By: LaVar</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaVar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Jill.  I don&#039;t agree with all of TR&#039;s positions but I wholeheartedly agree that good citizens are &quot;more than mere passengers&quot; in this Republic of ours.  I share your concern and amazement at all of the incremental erosion of traditional values and time honored principles that we are witnessing in our time.  I am reminded of the man who asked his friend, &quot;What is worse - ignorance or apathy?&quot; His friend answered, &quot;I don&#039;t know and I don&#039;t care.&quot;  I sincerely hope that as Americans, we never lose our love of liberty and brave determination to always uphold and defend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Jill.  I don&#8217;t agree with all of TR&#8217;s positions but I wholeheartedly agree that good citizens are &#8220;more than mere passengers&#8221; in this Republic of ours.  I share your concern and amazement at all of the incremental erosion of traditional values and time honored principles that we are witnessing in our time.  I am reminded of the man who asked his friend, &#8220;What is worse &#8211; ignorance or apathy?&#8221; His friend answered, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know and I don&#8217;t care.&#8221;  I sincerely hope that as Americans, we never lose our love of liberty and brave determination to always uphold and defend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hansen</title>
		<link>http://citizensforprincipledgovernment.com/2009/09/warning-proposed-federal-%e2%80%9chate-crimes%e2%80%9d-legislation-will-seriously-alter-current-constitutional-law/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again you have cut away the double talk and found a way to accomplish the stated goal of the legislation. Thank you for seeing the real agenda and making common sense of the issue. Hate crime has no more to do with equality than gun control has to do with safety. Both are means toward an unwelcome  end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again you have cut away the double talk and found a way to accomplish the stated goal of the legislation. Thank you for seeing the real agenda and making common sense of the issue. Hate crime has no more to do with equality than gun control has to do with safety. Both are means toward an unwelcome  end.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Swigert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Swigert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is part and parcel of what I have observed my entire life . . . the progressive mentality that chips away at us until we are accepting things that we never dreamed we would see in this country.  One suggestion:  I can think of better presidents to quote than the very progressive Teddy Roosevelt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is part and parcel of what I have observed my entire life . . . the progressive mentality that chips away at us until we are accepting things that we never dreamed we would see in this country.  One suggestion:  I can think of better presidents to quote than the very progressive Teddy Roosevelt.</p>
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